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> <channel><title>Comments on: FIA reacts to BMW withdrawal</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/</link> <description>Formula 1 / F1</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:07:38 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: jose</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-14178</link> <dc:creator>jose</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:18:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-14178</guid> <description>Who cares if the &quot;car salesmen&quot; leave the sport. there are several &quot;racing&quot; teams trying to take those places. Epsilon euskadi has the sponsors and the expertise. So give them a chance. In the future those same &quot;car salesmen teams&quot; will be knoking on the door.
Chris, i am getting fed up too, but i have the bug, i can&#039;t help it. Then something new comes up, like the schumacher come back, and i start to like it again.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares if the &#8220;car salesmen&#8221; leave the sport. there are several &#8220;racing&#8221; teams trying to take those places. Epsilon euskadi has the sponsors and the expertise. So give them a chance. In the future those same &#8220;car salesmen teams&#8221; will be knoking on the door.<br
/> Chris, i am getting fed up too, but i have the bug, i can&#8217;t help it. Then something new comes up, like the schumacher come back, and i start to like it again.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Harveyeight</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-14145</link> <dc:creator>Harveyeight</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-14145</guid> <description>Well I&#039;ve got to say that I too think it is easy to criticise Mosley.I think your comment that the popularity of F1 in Spain being down to Alonso is quite correct but leasds to the question as to whether these new fans will stay once Alonso&#039;s dominance ends. And, for an answer, we could look to the 30% of tickets sold for Valencia (pre Schumacher&#039;s announcement of course). If you look at the ticket sales for Silverstone you will see a significant difference. Even during the years of water pushing, despite there being no British pretender, the - very expensive - stands were full. And that&#039;s because they were F1 fans first and partial second.I&#039;ve stood at Club during qually and seen the same fans cheering excellent laps from different drivers and different cars. Once Mansell, in the naturally aspirated Williams-Judd against the turbos, put in a blinder, gaining second slot at that time, and almost the whole crowd cheered (the few who didn&#039;t were Ferrari fans who were later booed). Yet the majority were neither Mansell nor Williams fans.I regard myself as a &#039;typical&#039; F1 supporter and I don&#039;t want to see, as The New 2 says, F1 become F3. Or, indeed, the pointless new F2. That is what Mosley, for whatever reason, was pushing F1 towards.It is not only easy to blame Mosley, but we should.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;ve got to say that I too think it is easy to criticise Mosley.</p><p>I think your comment that the popularity of F1 in Spain being down to Alonso is quite correct but leasds to the question as to whether these new fans will stay once Alonso&#8217;s dominance ends. And, for an answer, we could look to the 30% of tickets sold for Valencia (pre Schumacher&#8217;s announcement of course). If you look at the ticket sales for Silverstone you will see a significant difference. Even during the years of water pushing, despite there being no British pretender, the &#8211; very expensive &#8211; stands were full. And that&#8217;s because they were F1 fans first and partial second.</p><p>I&#8217;ve stood at Club during qually and seen the same fans cheering excellent laps from different drivers and different cars. Once Mansell, in the naturally aspirated Williams-Judd against the turbos, put in a blinder, gaining second slot at that time, and almost the whole crowd cheered (the few who didn&#8217;t were Ferrari fans who were later booed). Yet the majority were neither Mansell nor Williams fans.</p><p>I regard myself as a &#8216;typical&#8217; F1 supporter and I don&#8217;t want to see, as The New 2 says, F1 become F3. Or, indeed, the pointless new F2. That is what Mosley, for whatever reason, was pushing F1 towards.</p><p>It is not only easy to blame Mosley, but we should.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Snail</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-14088</link> <dc:creator>Snail</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:32:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-14088</guid> <description>:-) Not really.But until promoting a race is a viable proposition great race venues will be in danger and the fans will continue to be fleeced. Going to a race *should* be value for money. From what I can see it is anything but.And the promoter should be able to make a reasonable profit for doing that rather than relying on the local government to pay for the event (which is Bernie&#039;s position).It should be win-win-win for all parties but at present its lose-lose/subsidy-win.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img
src='http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Not really.</p><p>But until promoting a race is a viable proposition great race venues will be in danger and the fans will continue to be fleeced. Going to a race *should* be value for money. From what I can see it is anything but.</p><p>And the promoter should be able to make a reasonable profit for doing that rather than relying on the local government to pay for the event (which is Bernie&#8217;s position).</p><p>It should be win-win-win for all parties but at present its lose-lose/subsidy-win.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jw1980</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-14084</link> <dc:creator>jw1980</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:23:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-14084</guid> <description>TheNewNo2,it&#039;s interesting hear your viewpoint. I disagree. Whilst some people have interest in the technical aspects I am sure that this is a minority view.
Look at the increased popularity of F1 in Spain. This has everything to do with Fernando Alonso and nothing to do with technical excellence.
Did James Allen not described commentating on the Schumacher years of domination as &quot;like pushing water uphill.&quot;?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheNewNo2,</p><p>it&#8217;s interesting hear your viewpoint. I disagree. Whilst some people have interest in the technical aspects I am sure that this is a minority view.<br
/> Look at the increased popularity of F1 in Spain. This has everything to do with Fernando Alonso and nothing to do with technical excellence.<br
/> Did James Allen not described commentating on the Schumacher years of domination as &#8220;like pushing water uphill.&#8221;?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: john g</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-14074</link> <dc:creator>john g</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:46:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-14074</guid> <description>what a surprise, mosely comes out with yet another totally deluded statement. had he left when he should have, last year, i think F1 would have been in a much healthier state than we see now. i can see toyota and renault following suit. what i&#039;m interested in is the timing of this announcement - could it be that there wasn&#039;t unity and agreement in the forthcoming concord agreement?BMW have confirmed that they aren&#039;t going to supply engines next year, but hopefully sauber can continue - it is looking as though there are going to be a lot of cosworth engines on the grid next year!!can definitely see kubica moving to ferrari now, hopefully heidfeld can find himself a decent place on the grid too next year</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a surprise, mosely comes out with yet another totally deluded statement. had he left when he should have, last year, i think F1 would have been in a much healthier state than we see now. i can see toyota and renault following suit. what i&#8217;m interested in is the timing of this announcement &#8211; could it be that there wasn&#8217;t unity and agreement in the forthcoming concord agreement?</p><p>BMW have confirmed that they aren&#8217;t going to supply engines next year, but hopefully sauber can continue &#8211; it is looking as though there are going to be a lot of cosworth engines on the grid next year!!</p><p>can definitely see kubica moving to ferrari now, hopefully heidfeld can find himself a decent place on the grid too next year</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TheNewNo2</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-14073</link> <dc:creator>TheNewNo2</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:45:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-14073</guid> <description>For me, jw, F1 is about the technical aspect. If I wanted to watch lots of overtaking in identical cars, I&#039;d watch F3. What I want is a grid of unique cars, driven by the best drivers, fighting it out. If that means someone is dominant, so be it, it&#039;s worth it.Now, BMW I&#039;m surprised are pulling out. Yes they&#039;ve had bad results, but as anyone inside F1 knows, things change, and next year could be much better. But boards want instant results, and don&#039;t bother to learn about the sports they compete in.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, jw, F1 is about the technical aspect. If I wanted to watch lots of overtaking in identical cars, I&#8217;d watch F3. What I want is a grid of unique cars, driven by the best drivers, fighting it out. If that means someone is dominant, so be it, it&#8217;s worth it.</p><p>Now, BMW I&#8217;m surprised are pulling out. Yes they&#8217;ve had bad results, but as anyone inside F1 knows, things change, and next year could be much better. But boards want instant results, and don&#8217;t bother to learn about the sports they compete in.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Martinco5</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-14048</link> <dc:creator>Martinco5</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:18:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-14048</guid> <description>Are you optimistic about the release of this statement Snail?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you optimistic about the release of this statement Snail?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-14002</link> <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:32:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-14002</guid> <description>Art.Aren&#039;t you fed up with the constant direction change (pun intended) of the rules? Refuelling? Front wings the size of the former Soviet Union? Changing the points system so Schumacher can&#039;t win championships? Change the tyres so that nobody can drive on them? Traction control? No traction control?It was even mooted at one stage to wet the track before every race!These cars should be thoroughbreds, and the technology should be allowed to develop them so that they are at the mercy of the driver, not the other way around.The evident bias against Mclaren and skewed favouritism towards Ferrari is as palpable as it is ridiculous (if Todt gets in - that&#039;s the last straw for me!).If Renault and Toyota go - we are not left with a spectacular grid of engineering masterpieces.I love the sport too, don&#039;t get me wrong. I&#039;ve not missed a race in 14 years. But it seems every year - I have to learn a new sport. It&#039;s confusing and irritating for the fans.Don&#039;t get me started on the politics...!(Get well soon, Massa).Chris.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art.</p><p>Aren&#8217;t you fed up with the constant direction change (pun intended) of the rules? Refuelling? Front wings the size of the former Soviet Union? Changing the points system so Schumacher can&#8217;t win championships? Change the tyres so that nobody can drive on them? Traction control? No traction control?</p><p>It was even mooted at one stage to wet the track before every race!</p><p>These cars should be thoroughbreds, and the technology should be allowed to develop them so that they are at the mercy of the driver, not the other way around.</p><p>The evident bias against Mclaren and skewed favouritism towards Ferrari is as palpable as it is ridiculous (if Todt gets in &#8211; that&#8217;s the last straw for me!).</p><p>If Renault and Toyota go &#8211; we are not left with a spectacular grid of engineering masterpieces.</p><p>I love the sport too, don&#8217;t get me wrong. I&#8217;ve not missed a race in 14 years. But it seems every year &#8211; I have to learn a new sport. It&#8217;s confusing and irritating for the fans.</p><p>Don&#8217;t get me started on the politics&#8230;!</p><p>(Get well soon, Massa).</p><p>Chris.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: VV</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-13951</link> <dc:creator>VV</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:37:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-13951</guid> <description>Ferrari already have a perfectly acceptable replacement drafted in for Massa, a certain seven-time world champion from Germany.  No need for Kubica.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferrari already have a perfectly acceptable replacement drafted in for Massa, a certain seven-time world champion from Germany.  No need for Kubica.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jw1980</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/07/fia-reacts-to-bmw-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-13950</link> <dc:creator>jw1980</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3014#comment-13950</guid> <description>It&#039;s easy to criticise Max. However, he was largely instrumental in getting three new teams in to the sport. Thanks to him he we should have a grid of at least 20 cars next season and hopefully 26.
Regardless of what has happened BMW have pulled out of F1 because of poor performance. A team that has scored a second and a positon 8 this season is hardly setting the world on fire. Certainly if Force India or STR were leaving with credentials like that no one would say that they would be missed.
BMW have done a huge disservice to F1. Negotiations have taken place with the view that all manufacturers will remain in the sport. However, as has often been proved in the past what a team may be thinking and what the board are thinking can be two entirely different things. Max is right when he said that there was an inevitability about manufacturers leaving. It has always happened.
Lets hope that the Sauber situation can be resolved quickly (however look at what happened to temporary workers at the Mini factory earlier this year to see how BMW can treat its employees). BMW does though owe it to F1 and its fans to do a &quot;Brawn&quot; as James suggests. If Sauber cannot make it then Epsilon are interested in joing F1 next year but time must be running out. Decisions need to be made quickly.
I have been following F1 since 1980 and may be I am old fashioned but its good racing that excites me not technical innovation because technical innovation usually leads to dominance and boring racing (look at Mansell in 1992 and he was hardly a boring driver).
To put things into perspective what are the meida more interested in now? BMW leaving or Michael Schumacher returning? It&#039;s the latter because drivers are the most important part of the sport....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to criticise Max. However, he was largely instrumental in getting three new teams in to the sport. Thanks to him he we should have a grid of at least 20 cars next season and hopefully 26.<br
/> Regardless of what has happened BMW have pulled out of F1 because of poor performance. A team that has scored a second and a positon 8 this season is hardly setting the world on fire. Certainly if Force India or STR were leaving with credentials like that no one would say that they would be missed.<br
/> BMW have done a huge disservice to F1. Negotiations have taken place with the view that all manufacturers will remain in the sport. However, as has often been proved in the past what a team may be thinking and what the board are thinking can be two entirely different things. Max is right when he said that there was an inevitability about manufacturers leaving. It has always happened.<br
/> Lets hope that the Sauber situation can be resolved quickly (however look at what happened to temporary workers at the Mini factory earlier this year to see how BMW can treat its employees). BMW does though owe it to F1 and its fans to do a &#8220;Brawn&#8221; as James suggests. If Sauber cannot make it then Epsilon are interested in joing F1 next year but time must be running out. Decisions need to be made quickly.<br
/> I have been following F1 since 1980 and may be I am old fashioned but its good racing that excites me not technical innovation because technical innovation usually leads to dominance and boring racing (look at Mansell in 1992 and he was hardly a boring driver).<br
/> To put things into perspective what are the meida more interested in now? BMW leaving or Michael Schumacher returning? It&#8217;s the latter because drivers are the most important part of the sport&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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