Comments on: The scene in Monaco http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/ Formula 1 / F1 Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:07:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: jeremyhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9096 jeremy Fri, 22 May 2009 23:28:17 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9096 tobacco hasn't completely left F1.. Ferrari are still budgeted quite "healthy" via Marlboro. Hence the "barcode" livery and the picture James posted with Kimi on the Marlboro poster tobacco hasn’t completely left F1.. Ferrari are still budgeted quite “healthy” via Marlboro. Hence the “barcode” livery and the picture James posted with Kimi on the Marlboro poster

]]> By: David Thttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9095 David T Fri, 22 May 2009 22:50:12 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9095 Redmist, thanks for your comment. I understood that the laws concerning tobacco ads were EU wide and issued from Brussels. Last time I checked Italy were still a member, but maybe Maranello has some special status? Redmist, thanks for your comment. I understood that the laws concerning tobacco ads were EU wide and issued from Brussels. Last time I checked Italy were still a member, but maybe Maranello has some special status?

]]> By: phil chttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9094 phil c Fri, 22 May 2009 21:49:06 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9094 JamesThe interesting part of this is what you said about RAI, and other tv rights holders in relation to the big manufactures leaving the sport. Does this imply that the money paid to Bernie for TV rights has reqiurements in relation to viewing numbers, and or certain teams. If this is the case, wouldn't you think Bernie would have had a good off the record chat with Max and said, look, the teams will destroy both of us, negotiate or we stuffed.I couldn't estimate a figure for televising f1, but i would suspect a good amount of revenue for bernie would be from tv rights, maybe in excess of billion dollars a year, world wide. If RAI, BBC, the french, spanish and German networks had voided contract, significant mones would be owed to them i would have thought. Do you agree??This would make starting a new series for the teams very plausable. They could sell the rights to the teams for half the cost, had have tracks like silverstone which have been rejected by bernie, for cheaper $$. Inturn i would suspect the teams could be earning anywhere between $50 and $100 million each just from revenue within one year. At 50million, This is already more then the budget cap. James

The interesting part of this is what you said about RAI, and other tv rights holders in relation to the big manufactures leaving the sport. Does this imply that the money paid to Bernie for TV rights has reqiurements in relation to viewing numbers, and or certain teams. If this is the case, wouldn’t you think Bernie would have had a good off the record chat with Max and said, look, the teams will destroy both of us, negotiate or we stuffed.

I couldn’t estimate a figure for televising f1, but i would suspect a good amount of revenue for bernie would be from tv rights, maybe in excess of billion dollars a year, world wide. If RAI, BBC, the french, spanish and German networks had voided contract, significant mones would be owed to them i would have thought. Do you agree??

This would make starting a new series for the teams very plausable. They could sell the rights to the teams for half the cost, had have tracks like silverstone which have been rejected by bernie, for cheaper $$. Inturn i would suspect the teams could be earning anywhere between $50 and $100 million each just from revenue within one year. At 50million, This is already more then the budget cap.

]]> By: Fausto Cunhahttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9093 Fausto Cunha Fri, 22 May 2009 21:29:14 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9093 "posters of a tattoed Kimi Raikkonen with his car really grab you"It´s a great poster , it really catch's the eye.Great piece James as usual. “posters of a tattoed Kimi Raikkonen with his car really grab you”

It´s a great poster , it really catch’s the eye.

Great piece James as usual.

]]> By: redmisthttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9092 redmist Fri, 22 May 2009 21:13:43 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9092 Under Italian law Ferrari are allowed to be sponsored by Marlboro, although they cant advertise it in most countries. Most of the other teams falls under the British tobacco laws, and they are not allowed to be sponsored by a tobacco company. So the fact that Ferrari still has Marlboro as a sponsor is totally legitimate for them. Under Italian law Ferrari are allowed to be sponsored by Marlboro, although they cant advertise it in most countries. Most of the other teams falls under the British tobacco laws, and they are not allowed to be sponsored by a tobacco company. So the fact that Ferrari still has Marlboro as a sponsor is totally legitimate for them.

]]> By: Alianora La Cantahttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9091 Alianora La Canta Fri, 22 May 2009 19:45:49 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9091 This is very true... This is very true…

]]> By: Skieshttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9056 Skies Fri, 22 May 2009 17:47:35 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9056 The loophole has been exploited by almost all F1 teams. McLaren used to replace the West logo with the names of their drivers, Mika and David.Jordan had "Buzzing Hornets" which was obviously Benson and Hedges. It's no great scandal. It also happens in other sports too.The Welsh Rugby team circumvent a ban on alcohol ads in France with the word "Brawn" instead of "Brains". The loophole has been exploited by almost all F1 teams. McLaren used to replace the West logo with the names of their drivers, Mika and David.

Jordan had “Buzzing Hornets” which was obviously Benson and Hedges. It’s no great scandal. It also happens in other sports too.

The Welsh Rugby team circumvent a ban on alcohol ads in France with the word “Brawn” instead of “Brains”.

]]> By: David Shttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9090 David S Fri, 22 May 2009 16:58:02 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9090 James: Interesting observation with the Marlboro promotion...On this subject and Ferrari am I right in thinking back in 2001, ALL F1 teams had a 'gentlemen's' agreement to withdraw tobacco sponsorship from their teams ... the date this was due to be signed/come into effect was ... 11th September 2001 ... only ONE team refused to sign ... that was Ferrari.This was 'forgotten' and scarcely reported due to the magnitude of events that unfolded on that fateful day.....Another 'agreement' Ferrari conveniently ignored...... James: Interesting observation with the Marlboro promotion…

On this subject and Ferrari am I right in thinking back in 2001, ALL F1 teams had a ‘gentlemen’s’ agreement to withdraw tobacco sponsorship from their teams … the date this was due to be signed/come into effect was … 11th September 2001 … only ONE team refused to sign … that was Ferrari.

This was ‘forgotten’ and scarcely reported due to the magnitude of events that unfolded on that fateful day…..

Another ‘agreement’ Ferrari conveniently ignored……

]]> By: vicweirhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9089 vicweir Fri, 22 May 2009 16:38:56 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9089 "run around at the back in protest before an early retirement"?I thought they'd already tried that.Got them no-where! “run around at the back in protest before an early retirement”?

I thought they’d already tried that.

Got them no-where!

]]> By: Alianora La Cantahttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/05/the-scene-in-monaco/comment-page-1/#comment-9088 Alianora La Canta Fri, 22 May 2009 16:38:37 +0000 http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/?p=2359#comment-9088 The 107% rule was abolished in 2003 when single-lap qualifying came into force. The running-around-at-the-back would in theory lead to Ferrari being pursued under Article 151c (one of the things the Michelin teams was hauled up before the FIA for after US GP 2005 was supposedly staging an on-track protest) but in practise would be difficult to argue, even for the FIA. The 107% rule was abolished in 2003 when single-lap qualifying came into force. The running-around-at-the-back would in theory lead to Ferrari being pursued under Article 151c (one of the things the Michelin teams was hauled up before the FIA for after US GP 2005 was supposedly staging an on-track protest) but in practise would be difficult to argue, even for the FIA.

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